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	<title>Comments on: Marketing as an Art or Science: Must We Choose?</title>
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	<description>This site and its comments reflect our approach to the world, that while marketing is definitely an art, it must also be underpinned with reason, logic and science.</description>
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		<title>By: Todd Cabral</title>
		<link>http://www.thescienceofmarketing.com/index.php/messaging/marketing-as-an-art-or-science-must-we-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-15457</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Cabral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lisa,

I&#039;m glad you stumbled here too!  The science definitely comes into play once it comes time to back up a message.  I&#039;m in the process of writing about this very topic, so I hope you&#039;ll visit again and check it out.  

I think it&#039;s important, no, critical, to know thy audience when contemplating the art/science balance.  It&#039;s critical to know thy audience for many reasons, but tone and treatment definitely need to be audience specific.  As an artistic type consumer, you would probably be turned off by a dry ad that highlights the math or even the logic of a new product, right?  

Me, I&#039;m more of a left brainer- so while I use a Mac, the initial pull for me was an ad highlighting the stability of the operating system, not the hip and colorful online demo with people dancing as music, pictures and videos zoomed around the screen.  Just an example of how different audiences can strike a different art/science balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lisa,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you stumbled here too!  The science definitely comes into play once it comes time to back up a message.  I&#8217;m in the process of writing about this very topic, so I hope you&#8217;ll visit again and check it out.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important, no, critical, to know thy audience when contemplating the art/science balance.  It&#8217;s critical to know thy audience for many reasons, but tone and treatment definitely need to be audience specific.  As an artistic type consumer, you would probably be turned off by a dry ad that highlights the math or even the logic of a new product, right?  </p>
<p>Me, I&#8217;m more of a left brainer- so while I use a Mac, the initial pull for me was an ad highlighting the stability of the operating system, not the hip and colorful online demo with people dancing as music, pictures and videos zoomed around the screen.  Just an example of how different audiences can strike a different art/science balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating observations &amp; commentary - what a happy find to stumble upon this blog today, a month later! :) In an effort to provide a viewpoint from an artistic type consumer as well as dabbler in marketing, I am drawn into media messages that appeal to my artistic nature yet balance that by providing something to back it up - that&#039;s where the science comes into play, right?  Drawing a conclusion based on that, my two cents would be that knowing the target audience would therefore assist somewhat in guiding how best to balance the art &amp; science needed for any particular task at hand, as it appears that hard &amp; fast rules would not serve the purpose well.  Sometimes it seems that it would be appropriate to &quot;skew&quot; to one side or the other depending on the message and who you are attempting to reach with it.  But even with all that said, the last comment we all make snap judgments with ads based on our own preferences...but cool to consider how the art &amp; science are working basically at a subconscious level in us to provide that response!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating observations &amp; commentary &#8211; what a happy find to stumble upon this blog today, a month later! <img src='http://www.thescienceofmarketing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  In an effort to provide a viewpoint from an artistic type consumer as well as dabbler in marketing, I am drawn into media messages that appeal to my artistic nature yet balance that by providing something to back it up &#8211; that&#8217;s where the science comes into play, right?  Drawing a conclusion based on that, my two cents would be that knowing the target audience would therefore assist somewhat in guiding how best to balance the art &amp; science needed for any particular task at hand, as it appears that hard &amp; fast rules would not serve the purpose well.  Sometimes it seems that it would be appropriate to &#8220;skew&#8221; to one side or the other depending on the message and who you are attempting to reach with it.  But even with all that said, the last comment we all make snap judgments with ads based on our own preferences&#8230;but cool to consider how the art &amp; science are working basically at a subconscious level in us to provide that response!</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Cabral</title>
		<link>http://www.thescienceofmarketing.com/index.php/messaging/marketing-as-an-art-or-science-must-we-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-15441</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Cabral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

Agreed- I don&#039;t like those ads a bit- and I think the art side is a lot to do with likability.  A lot of times when I look at creative, I either like it or I don&#039;t.  And often times, I can&#039;t tell you why I like one treatment over another - I just do.  I think that&#039;s where a good balance between art and science helps- the definitive science side helps balance out the subjective art side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>Agreed- I don&#8217;t like those ads a bit- and I think the art side is a lot to do with likability.  A lot of times when I look at creative, I either like it or I don&#8217;t.  And often times, I can&#8217;t tell you why I like one treatment over another &#8211; I just do.  I think that&#8217;s where a good balance between art and science helps- the definitive science side helps balance out the subjective art side.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Marn</title>
		<link>http://www.thescienceofmarketing.com/index.php/messaging/marketing-as-an-art-or-science-must-we-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-15439</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Marn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,
I was doing a post on the latest Taco Bell spot, and it occurred to me that it was another &quot;art vs. science&quot; example. Using the ubiquitous &quot;take a penny&quot; bowl as a way to demonstrate low prices is certainly logical and effective, in theory, BUT...using an unlikeable character swiping pennies from them to finance his food is a big miss on the &quot;art&quot; side, in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,<br />
I was doing a post on the latest Taco Bell spot, and it occurred to me that it was another &#8220;art vs. science&#8221; example. Using the ubiquitous &#8220;take a penny&#8221; bowl as a way to demonstrate low prices is certainly logical and effective, in theory, BUT&#8230;using an unlikeable character swiping pennies from them to finance his food is a big miss on the &#8220;art&#8221; side, in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Cabral</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Cabral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments all around.  I think the struggle between art and science, specifically when to lean one way or the other, is fascinating.  Based on the name of this blog, you probably know where I end up.  But I don&#039;t think leaning towards science requires sacrificing good art.  I think good science can make art a lot better - by establishing much needed boundaries for creative work.  

This comes after a few incidents where I felt as if good artists talked me into great creative concepts that drifted off message, off brand or off purpose (not quite talking ovens, but close).  Since then, I&#039;ve added more left brain to my marketing toolkit, and it&#039;s worked for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments all around.  I think the struggle between art and science, specifically when to lean one way or the other, is fascinating.  Based on the name of this blog, you probably know where I end up.  But I don&#8217;t think leaning towards science requires sacrificing good art.  I think good science can make art a lot better &#8211; by establishing much needed boundaries for creative work.  </p>
<p>This comes after a few incidents where I felt as if good artists talked me into great creative concepts that drifted off message, off brand or off purpose (not quite talking ovens, but close).  Since then, I&#8217;ve added more left brain to my marketing toolkit, and it&#8217;s worked for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Marn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Marn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think the Quiznos &quot;Torpedo&quot; campaign is an example of great science, but thin art. (I did a post on it.)
The sandwich itself is a perfect answer to two problems: Quiznos pricey subs (cheaper than Subway&#039;s $5 Foot Long&quot;) and subs in general being messy &quot;on the go food&quot;  (it&#039;s neater and easier to handle.) The promotion they have going pushes the travel feature, but the commercial (a talking oven) doesn&#039;t promote EITHER benefit, and isn&#039;t very creative.
Is there a right brain in the house?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think the Quiznos &#8220;Torpedo&#8221; campaign is an example of great science, but thin art. (I did a post on it.)<br />
The sandwich itself is a perfect answer to two problems: Quiznos pricey subs (cheaper than Subway&#8217;s $5 Foot Long&#8221;) and subs in general being messy &#8220;on the go food&#8221;  (it&#8217;s neater and easier to handle.) The promotion they have going pushes the travel feature, but the commercial (a talking oven) doesn&#8217;t promote EITHER benefit, and isn&#8217;t very creative.<br />
Is there a right brain in the house?</p>
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		<title>By: Joy Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd - An understanding of both the science and art is essential, but it seems like most people skew to either one side or the other.  It seems like a key part of being a good marketer is understanding that there are two sides, and knowing when to ask questions about the side with which you&#039;re less familiar, once you&#039;ve identified where you sit on the art-science spectrum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd &#8211; An understanding of both the science and art is essential, but it seems like most people skew to either one side or the other.  It seems like a key part of being a good marketer is understanding that there are two sides, and knowing when to ask questions about the side with which you&#8217;re less familiar, once you&#8217;ve identified where you sit on the art-science spectrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Marn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Marn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth and Todd-- you are both right, of course. 

A copywriter/CD all my life, I had the very interesting experience of teaching a class in Media Planning at a local university. I&#039;ve always told my creative classes that an ad campaign has to do two things to be successful: carry the correct message AND be creative enough to get noticed. Without either, you&#039;ve obviously wasted money. 

The media class reminded me that there&#039;s a third leg on that stool: that message must reach the right people. And oddly enough, after years of dealing with subjective likes/dislikes of bosses, clients, their spouses and their next-door neighbors, it was a little bit satisfying to work in an area where success was somewhat quantifiable. A &quot;good job&quot; isn&#039;t quite as much a matter of opinion.

Thus, even the creative guy must admit that we should use whatever science we can to eliminate (or at least control) as many variables as we can as part of the process.
(Just don&#039;t pretend it&#039;s as useful over here on the art side!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth and Todd&#8211; you are both right, of course. </p>
<p>A copywriter/CD all my life, I had the very interesting experience of teaching a class in Media Planning at a local university. I&#8217;ve always told my creative classes that an ad campaign has to do two things to be successful: carry the correct message AND be creative enough to get noticed. Without either, you&#8217;ve obviously wasted money. </p>
<p>The media class reminded me that there&#8217;s a third leg on that stool: that message must reach the right people. And oddly enough, after years of dealing with subjective likes/dislikes of bosses, clients, their spouses and their next-door neighbors, it was a little bit satisfying to work in an area where success was somewhat quantifiable. A &#8220;good job&#8221; isn&#8217;t quite as much a matter of opinion.</p>
<p>Thus, even the creative guy must admit that we should use whatever science we can to eliminate (or at least control) as many variables as we can as part of the process.<br />
(Just don&#8217;t pretend it&#8217;s as useful over here on the art side!)</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Cabral</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Cabral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Seth,

Thanks for the comment and the interesting post.  I suppose there are always conflicts when number crunchers and artsy types collide.  My viewpoint tends to come from the marketing and communications strategy level, where an understanding of both is essential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Seth,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment and the interesting post.  I suppose there are always conflicts when number crunchers and artsy types collide.  My viewpoint tends to come from the marketing and communications strategy level, where an understanding of both is essential.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Godin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Godin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, that&#039;s not what I meant by &quot;science.&quot; I meant the science of measurement, of testing, of doing spreadsheets of GRPs and the science of media buying.

The challenge in marketing is when the science direct marketer researcher measurers need to work with the Chiat Day big picture artists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, that&#8217;s not what I meant by &#8220;science.&#8221; I meant the science of measurement, of testing, of doing spreadsheets of GRPs and the science of media buying.</p>
<p>The challenge in marketing is when the science direct marketer researcher measurers need to work with the Chiat Day big picture artists.</p>
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